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  How were you 'outed' ??

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. experiences

  many of us here have been "outed" as ones who no longer believe that this is "the truth".. many didn't have the chance to do it in our own way, and in our own time, but rather someone "found out about our apostasy" and "reported" it to the spiritual police (elders).

  would you like to share your stories?.

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  neat blue dog

  This was about four years ago. I had talked to several people in my congregation at different times and mentioned various things like the Pyramid of Giza, Russell's pyramid monument, 1925, Beth Sarim, 1975, etc. However, I STILL believed it was the truth at the time and so after talking about it I tried to down play these things and make various lame excuses. Anyway, it wasn't long before the Elders called me to a meeting, and didn't tell me what it was about. The very first things they asked me were all about my loyalty to the organization, and of course since I still believed I answered affirmatively. Then they got into counciling me, saying that loyalty is important and that since we don't air our family's "dirty laundry" it also isn't right to air the organization's "dirty laundry". They told me it would be best not to mention such things again, and being obedient to "Theocratic Order" as I was, I complied. I lost no privileges. Funny thing is I just realized I had a full beard at the time. (I had an excuse as I had been away for a few weeks and no assignments that day.) I didn't realize what a fine line I was walking. 😆 Anyways, it would be another couple years til I fully woke up, and if that scenario happened now I honestly don't know how it would end. I think outing myself through my own words is a very real possibility hanging over my head, could be today, could be years from now, could be never. Since then I have continued to push the envelope with regard to thought-inducing content I insert into comments, talks and conversation. Haven't been counciled yet, but we'll see.
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  Printed Editions of Crisis of Conscience now Available...

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...at barnes & noble.

  https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/crisis-of-conscience-raymond-franz/1128103683?ean=9780999499214.

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  neat blue dog

  Alicia I know what you mean 😄 For me the actual nail in the coffin was reading the new testament front to back in a couple months without WT literature, and finally seeing how mainstream Christendom really does have the basic stuff right (not that I adhere to any, I think they're ALL a racket), but it was CoC that directly preceded this and was the catalyst for my awakening. It has such powerful, relatable stuff in there because it's REAL, the ring of truth if you will. (Sorry I just puked in my mouth a little saying that phrase 😜😆)
  
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  Printed Editions of Crisis of Conscience now Available...

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...at barnes & noble.

  https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/crisis-of-conscience-raymond-franz/1128103683?ean=9780999499214.

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  neat blue dog

  Is it print on demand or do they actually stock this at any stores? Because B&N's website hosts a lot of MOD stuff.
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  Question is there any historical data on a women killing her entire

  by poopie in

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  family including dog and then herself?.

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  neat blue dog

  You kill me poopie 😂

  But on second thought, please don't.
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  Is My Wife Awakening?

  by My Name is of No Consequence in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  every now and then, my wife will talk about how things are not making sense within the org.

  i usually just dismiss it as her playing mind games with me.

  for example, she would ask why there are so many branches being closed or why so many congregations are being merged.

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  Be prepared for a "relapse" after she attends a Circus Assm or any special event

  THIS. Hopefully it won't happen, but it is a very real possibility. Some years ago when I was still vascilating pro/anti-JW in my head, I would try to engage my mother in conversations to make her think outside the JW box. She made significant progress. But then all it took was one convention for her to regress. The same thing would happen in smaller amounts from month to month, with the monthly broadcast being the instigator. JW propaganda is like a drug. Cold turkey is the only way to go for some folks. But I'm not being cynical, it sounds like your wife has already made great progress, just keep doing what you're doing. When you're loving and reasonable like that, and when you're not preaching to her and she's coming up with the answers herself, that gets great results 👍
  
  
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  Crisis of Conscience (Fifth Edition) is now available on Kindle:

  by Brock Talon in

  1. social
  2. current

  i am not on this site much lately, so i apologize up front if someone has already posted this, but i thought this was big news and wanted to share with the group.. crisis of conscience (fifth edition) is now available on kindle.

  https://www.amazon.com/crisis-conscience-struggle-between-religion-ebook/dp/b07b7c21m3/ref=zg_bs_158371011_1?_encoding=utf8&psc=1&refrid=d50fq853aggrcmag7vzs.

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  steve2:

  I agree, but I'm not talking about weather he would approve or not (which is good but not terribly important). The only problem I had is that this cover kinda plays into WT's depiction of "apostates" as egomaniacs who are 'leading disciples after themselves'. When I first read his books, what struck me was his humility, forgiveness, and modesty regarding not having all the answers. He was thrust into the situation and didn't want to lead others. He only pointed to Jesus. That's what emboldened me to reread the New Testament and discovering once and for all that the JWs were so off base. Now I'm rambling 😅 but you get what I'm saying.
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  Crisis of Conscience (Fifth Edition) is now available on Kindle:

  by Brock Talon in

  1. social
  2. current

  i am not on this site much lately, so i apologize up front if someone has already posted this, but i thought this was big news and wanted to share with the group.. crisis of conscience (fifth edition) is now available on kindle.

  https://www.amazon.com/crisis-conscience-struggle-between-religion-ebook/dp/b07b7c21m3/ref=zg_bs_158371011_1?_encoding=utf8&psc=1&refrid=d50fq853aggrcmag7vzs.

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  neat blue dog

  Not crazy about the cover giving the impression brother Franz is promoting himself, which he was NOT like at all.

  Still, so glad this masterpiece is back on the market, especially now in cheaper and easily obtainable digital form (also easier for a PIMO to sneak a read) and with extra content too.
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  Blood Card Issue

  by pometerre21 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i posted this on r/exjw, but i thought i might post it here as well.

  so the elders in our kh are moving to get us to sign new simplified blood cards and keep them on file.

  i really need to not rock the boat in my current pimo status because of circumstances.. my cousin knows i have doubts about the blood thing, but i can’t show her that my doubts are getting to me.

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  neat blue dog

  I too am PIMO and I just updated my card to accept ALL blood fractions as well as all procedures involving my own blood. If figure that's pretty close to no restrictions.
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  conversation with a JW about the sun

  by neat blue dog in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  jw: didn't we just hear somebody say that the sun's gonna blow up?.

  me: well, they were saying that it will expand and eventually burn out.. jw: but it can't do that, it just keeps blowing up inside and getting more power.. me: well, they were talking about stars in general, how they have a life span.. jw: but god didn't make it that way, it's firmly established to time indefinite.

  it's not like the sun is a regular star.

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  JW: Didn't we just hear somebody say that the sun's gonna blow up?

  Me: Well, they were saying that it will expand and eventually burn out.

  JW: But it can't do that, it just keeps blowing up inside and getting more power.

  Me: Well, they were talking about stars in general, how they have a life span.

  JW: But God didn't make it that way, it's firmly established to time indefinite. It's not like the sun is a regular star. Who gave them that right to decide?
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  Thanks, but no thanks!

  by FadeToBlack in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that was essentially my reply to a recent sms i got from the elder of the group i am supposed to be in, requesting a visit to encourage me and get to know me better.

  my wife has been attending english language meetings in warsaw for the last year or so (i have never been) and i think they are getting antsy about where i stand.

  i've met many of them at events my wife hosted at our house, but so far nobody has pressed me on the issue of my inactivity.. at one of the events, an elder mentioned that he'd heard i 'had been' a jw for many years and he was curious what first attracted me to the org.

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  neat blue dog

  Just beware of giving away your location here if you want to lay low.